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		<title>Comment on letter writing/hope springs eternal by casualagent</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question of exclusivity, enclosure and the potential to intervene in it that you guys are tackling reminded me of this piece by Francis Alys, could be inspiring to look into his other works as well if you haven&#039;t had a chance to see the retrospective last year at the Tate.. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of exclusivity, enclosure and the potential to intervene in it that you guys are tackling reminded me of this piece by Francis Alys, could be inspiring to look into his other works as well if you haven&#8217;t had a chance to see the retrospective last year at the Tate..<br />
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		<title>Comment on The Dockers, Canary Wharf Casino, Animal Spirits and the Tunnel by Theo Price</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. Haven&#039;t seen you in ages, hope you&#039;re well.
I have only scanned your text but seeing that you still interested in the idea of what can remain, of a &#039;ghostly presence in everyday existence&#039;, of &#039;emerging sprits&#039;, it might be worth checking out this talk at Senate house. Sharon Kivland will be there and Mark Fisher( i know nothing of this man but others speak highly of him). The blurb, which again i have only half read looks interesting. See below...

And also, we should maybe start to cross reference our isle of dogs info as the Millwall group has been digging around the Dockers as well. Might be some cross overs, possible linking of  fragments of our two projects.
Theo

&#039;An evening of interdisciplinary talks and presentations exploring the desire to materialise what is absent through the medium of haunted landscapes.&#039;

Wednesday, February 29, 2012
6:30am until 9:00am
The Court Room, Senate House, Malet Street, University of London, , WC1E 7HU, Malet Street
https://www.facebook.com/events/374197812593229/
WITH:
Sharon Kivland, &quot;Reisen: The limpid Waters of Mountain Lakes, The Snow on Alpine Peaks, The Smoke of Steam Trains”(three short films)
Mark Fisher and Andy Sharp, &quot;Bleak And Solemn... the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James&quot;
Laura Joyce, &quot;Haunted Idylls: Crime Scenes in Ovid&#039;s &#039;Metamorphoses&quot;
Hayley Lock, &quot;Spoiling my pussies love time&quot;

This event is free but places are limited - rsvp ghost.hostings@gmail.com to reserve your seat.

invite image &quot;we are hanging by our teeth&quot; Hayley Lock

Up next: Hostings 7: Presence – Manifesting Ghosts
March 14th 2012, 6.30pm – 9.00pm
With: Hollington &amp; Kyprianou, “Technology &amp; the Uncanny”, Jack Hunter, “Expressions of Spirithood”, John Sabol, “The Forgotten Soldier: Manifestations of the Continuing Presence of Colonel William Holmes (1862-2011)”
e.mail ghost.hostings@gmail.com to reserve seats 

HAUNTED LANDSCAPES PROGRAMME:
Sharon Kivland - Reisen
Hostings 6: Absence – Haunted Landscapes, will commence with a screening of three very short films by Sharon Kivland titled, Reisen: The limped waters of mountain lakes, The snow on alpine peaks and The smoke of steam trains. The images in the films are photographs, from a series of works which the artist re-photographed from old postcards. The images also relate to two small pamphlets, entitled Reisen, which refer to the trains, train journeys, railway-lines, stations, station platforms, railway timetables, ticket collectors, and train compartments in the life and work of Sigmund Freud. Each film is subtitled ‘Every year Sigmund Freud went on holiday with his brother, Alexander’.
Sharon Kivland is an artist and writer and &#039;occasional curator&#039; working in London and France. She holds a Masters in History of art, Goldsmiths College, University of London and aDoctorate from The History of Art Department, University of Reading. She is a researcher at the Centre for Freudian Analysis and Research, London, and a Visiting Fellow at the IGRS, University of London. She has exhibited widely in Europe and North America and is represented by DomoBaal, London, Galerie Bugdahn &amp; Kaimer, Düsseldorf, and Galerie des petits carreaux, Paris. Publications include Freud on Holiday volume III. The Forgetting of a Proper Nameco-published by Cube Art Editions, Athens, and information as material, York 2011 and A Case of Hysteria, Book Works, London, 1999.


Mark Fisher and Andy Sharp - Bleak And Solemn... the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James
We present our short film &quot;Bleak And Solemn... the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James&quot; - in which we provide an annotated exploration of real and cinematic locations in two of the author&#039;s ghost stories. This will be followed by a short talk discussing the desire to explore horror and ghost film locations. Does exploring such places allow us to enter a ludic and augmented reality? Can this give us access to a forgotten arena of energised play and creative fear, akin to childhood experience. Can we use the intersection of film and location to subvert Williams Burroughs&#039; magical formula: &quot;cut-up reality and the past leaks through&quot;?
By overlaying celluloid and concrete recollections of haunted landscapes, can we create new imaginary films, in which we are the main spectres?
Mark Fisher is the author of Capitalist Realism and the forthcoming Ghosts of my Life: Writings on Depression, Hauntology and Lost Futures. He teaches at the University of East London, Goldsmiths, University of London and the City Literary Institute. His writing regularly appears in Film Quarterly, The Wire, Sight&amp;Sound and on his own weblog, k-punk.
Andy Sharp runs the English Heretic project - an organisation of the imaginative faculty, dedicated to unearthing, researching and speculating upon England&#039;s landscapes and tragic figures. Combining literary, audio and visual guides English Heretic have released numerous publications and recordings since 2003 including &quot;The English Heretic Collection 1 and 2&quot;, &quot;Wyrd Tales 1 and 2&quot;, &quot;Tales Of The New Isis Lodge&quot;, &quot;Your passport to the qliphoth&quot; and &quot;Plan for the assassination of Princess Anne&quot;. English Heretic also conduct public ceremonies, having recently appeared at &quot;Past, Present and Future&quot; festival at Wysing Arts Centre. Andy Sharp has also talked on a wide range of magical topics, most recently on &quot;The Cult of Ku&quot; at Treadwell&#039;s Bookshop. English Heretic have just published their latest book &quot;Wyrd Tales 2&quot;, a 140 page illustrated anthology of speculative fiction.


Laura Joyce - Haunted Idylls: Crime Scenes in Ovid&#039;s &#039;Metamorphoses&#039;
Then he hastened with the frightened Philomela into most wild and silent solitudes of an old forest; where, concealed among deep thickets a forbidding old house stood…but even while her agonizing screams implored her sister&#039;s and her father&#039;s aid, and while she vainly called upon the Gods, he overmastered her with brutal force.
Ovid’s Metamorphoses contains several descriptions of sexual violence, torture, brutality and murder which take place in beautiful, idyllic settings. Often he introduces a sacred grotto, a lush spring, a secret grove, or a dark, impenetrable forest to set a scene. Within these sublime, numinous spaces, he contaminates the landscape with violence and degradation. The spaces continue to be haunted by the violence committed there, as the victims of the crimes do not disappear, but rather metamorphose into elements of the scene itself; from Myrrha’s agonising pregnancy trapped inside a tree, to the terrified Callisto, transformed into a bear, only to be hunted by her son. The quote above is taken from the episode of Tereus and Philomela, and describes the beginning of the brutal campaign of violence done to the girl, set in an ‘old forest’ among ‘deep thickets’, a sure sign that horror will ensue.
My paper will look briefly at the history of the locus amoenus or ‘pleasant place’ in classical poetry, and at the subversive use which Ovid makes of this trope. I will also be guided by Derrida’s essay ‘Hostipitality’ which looks at the etymological links between hostility and hospitality, and the ways in which this impacts on the disruption of the locus amoenus in Ovid. I will also look briefly at Henry Bond’s Lacanian work on crime scene photography, in order to delineate the psychotic nature of Ovid’s haunted spaces.
Laura Joyce is a DPhil student in Creative and Critical Writing at The University of Sussex. Her research is on body horror, necrophilia, murder and sado-masochistic violence, and the haunted spaces that these acts inhabit. Laura is writing a novella as part of her research, from the point of view of a group of murdered women, based on the femicides in Ciudad Juarez. Her first novel, about the killing of six year old beauty queen Jonbenet Ramsey, will be published in June 2012.


Hayley Lock - Spoiling my pussies love time
The ten lectures contained within John Ruskin’s ‘The Ethics of the Dust’ written in 1875 frames a dialogue between the girls of Winnington Hall in Cheshire and an elderly lecturer who references crystallography and scientific knowledge through dreams as a medium for teaching. Referencing Sinbad’s adventures from the tale of a Thousand and one nights, Ruskin describes these haunted landscapes in an effort to educate the young ladies before him about the moralistic complexities embedded in human culture through scientific enquiry, structure and order.
Using the titles of each lecture, I propose to create ten pieces of work, each of which contain a landscape from each chapter. The chapters are: The Valley of Diamonds, The Pyramid Builders, The Crystal Life, The Crystal Orders, Crystal Virtues, Crystal Quarrels, Home Virtues, Crystal Caprice, Crystal Sorrows and The Crystal Rest. I propose to show these works as a Ruskin lecture.
Each landscape will be placed within a recreation of a Claude Glass, a tourist drawing tool or a black glass that Ruskin was said to loathe for its inaccuracies, favouring instead the magnifying glass for fine detailing.
These Claude Glass visions haunted Ruskin in his imaginings through a series of mental breakdowns that occurred firstly in 1871 at a time of great stress with his mother’s death and his close cousins marriage (Ruskin later apologises in a series of letters to his cousin Joan for spoiling his pussies love time) and they continue to his death in 1900. Ruskin’s illnesses have since been recognised to fall at a point of loss when these dark imaginings muddled truth and reality with confusion and sorrow.
Ruskin attempted to throw away these black glasses into Coniston Water and as well as on his travels to Europe but on each occasion they were returned by Joan.
Hayley Lock studied at Goldsmith’s College, London and currently lives and works in Suffolk and Cambridge. Her practice straddles fact and fiction, truth and the fake. Weaving new narratives of history and myth through a complicated and sometimes mysterious tale of heartache, lust and delusional thinking, Lock allows her practice to accumulate, take unfathomable journeys and elicit deceit to create part encrypted biography and part parallel histories through drawing, collage, sculpture and sound. Previous exhibitions include These Living Walls of Jet, Ceri hand Gallery, London; Future 50, Project Space Leeds and To Taste Molten Diamonds, Backlit Studios, Nottingham. In 2011 and 2012 Lock reinvented new histories in historic places with her project (Now that would be) Telling which travelled to Ickworth House, Suffolk, Brantwood House, Cumbria, Dr Johnsons House, London, A La Ronde, Devon and Caddington Hall in London.

Hannah Gilbert
I wish I could, this looks fantastic!
Like ·  · February 14 at 11:17am

James Payne
Yay - I&#039;m in London and I&#039;m coming!
Like ·  · February 13 at 10:12pm
Sarah Sparkes likes this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Haven&#8217;t seen you in ages, hope you&#8217;re well.<br />
I have only scanned your text but seeing that you still interested in the idea of what can remain, of a &#8216;ghostly presence in everyday existence&#8217;, of &#8216;emerging sprits&#8217;, it might be worth checking out this talk at Senate house. Sharon Kivland will be there and Mark Fisher( i know nothing of this man but others speak highly of him). The blurb, which again i have only half read looks interesting. See below&#8230;</p>
<p>And also, we should maybe start to cross reference our isle of dogs info as the Millwall group has been digging around the Dockers as well. Might be some cross overs, possible linking of  fragments of our two projects.<br />
Theo</p>
<p>&#8216;An evening of interdisciplinary talks and presentations exploring the desire to materialise what is absent through the medium of haunted landscapes.&#8217;</p>
<p>Wednesday, February 29, 2012<br />
6:30am until 9:00am<br />
The Court Room, Senate House, Malet Street, University of London, , WC1E 7HU, Malet Street<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/374197812593229/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/events/374197812593229/</a><br />
WITH:<br />
Sharon Kivland, &#8220;Reisen: The limpid Waters of Mountain Lakes, The Snow on Alpine Peaks, The Smoke of Steam Trains”(three short films)<br />
Mark Fisher and Andy Sharp, &#8220;Bleak And Solemn&#8230; the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James&#8221;<br />
Laura Joyce, &#8220;Haunted Idylls: Crime Scenes in Ovid&#8217;s &#8216;Metamorphoses&#8221;<br />
Hayley Lock, &#8220;Spoiling my pussies love time&#8221;</p>
<p>This event is free but places are limited &#8211; rsvp <a href="mailto:ghost.hostings@gmail.com">ghost.hostings@gmail.com</a> to reserve your seat.</p>
<p>invite image &#8220;we are hanging by our teeth&#8221; Hayley Lock</p>
<p>Up next: Hostings 7: Presence – Manifesting Ghosts<br />
March 14th 2012, 6.30pm – 9.00pm<br />
With: Hollington &amp; Kyprianou, “Technology &amp; the Uncanny”, Jack Hunter, “Expressions of Spirithood”, John Sabol, “The Forgotten Soldier: Manifestations of the Continuing Presence of Colonel William Holmes (1862-2011)”<br />
e.mail <a href="mailto:ghost.hostings@gmail.com">ghost.hostings@gmail.com</a> to reserve seats </p>
<p>HAUNTED LANDSCAPES PROGRAMME:<br />
Sharon Kivland &#8211; Reisen<br />
Hostings 6: Absence – Haunted Landscapes, will commence with a screening of three very short films by Sharon Kivland titled, Reisen: The limped waters of mountain lakes, The snow on alpine peaks and The smoke of steam trains. The images in the films are photographs, from a series of works which the artist re-photographed from old postcards. The images also relate to two small pamphlets, entitled Reisen, which refer to the trains, train journeys, railway-lines, stations, station platforms, railway timetables, ticket collectors, and train compartments in the life and work of Sigmund Freud. Each film is subtitled ‘Every year Sigmund Freud went on holiday with his brother, Alexander’.<br />
Sharon Kivland is an artist and writer and &#8216;occasional curator&#8217; working in London and France. She holds a Masters in History of art, Goldsmiths College, University of London and aDoctorate from The History of Art Department, University of Reading. She is a researcher at the Centre for Freudian Analysis and Research, London, and a Visiting Fellow at the IGRS, University of London. She has exhibited widely in Europe and North America and is represented by DomoBaal, London, Galerie Bugdahn &amp; Kaimer, Düsseldorf, and Galerie des petits carreaux, Paris. Publications include Freud on Holiday volume III. The Forgetting of a Proper Nameco-published by Cube Art Editions, Athens, and information as material, York 2011 and A Case of Hysteria, Book Works, London, 1999.</p>
<p>Mark Fisher and Andy Sharp &#8211; Bleak And Solemn&#8230; the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James<br />
We present our short film &#8220;Bleak And Solemn&#8230; the hauntological landscapes of M.R. James&#8221; &#8211; in which we provide an annotated exploration of real and cinematic locations in two of the author&#8217;s ghost stories. This will be followed by a short talk discussing the desire to explore horror and ghost film locations. Does exploring such places allow us to enter a ludic and augmented reality? Can this give us access to a forgotten arena of energised play and creative fear, akin to childhood experience. Can we use the intersection of film and location to subvert Williams Burroughs&#8217; magical formula: &#8220;cut-up reality and the past leaks through&#8221;?<br />
By overlaying celluloid and concrete recollections of haunted landscapes, can we create new imaginary films, in which we are the main spectres?<br />
Mark Fisher is the author of Capitalist Realism and the forthcoming Ghosts of my Life: Writings on Depression, Hauntology and Lost Futures. He teaches at the University of East London, Goldsmiths, University of London and the City Literary Institute. His writing regularly appears in Film Quarterly, The Wire, Sight&amp;Sound and on his own weblog, k-punk.<br />
Andy Sharp runs the English Heretic project &#8211; an organisation of the imaginative faculty, dedicated to unearthing, researching and speculating upon England&#8217;s landscapes and tragic figures. Combining literary, audio and visual guides English Heretic have released numerous publications and recordings since 2003 including &#8220;The English Heretic Collection 1 and 2&#8243;, &#8220;Wyrd Tales 1 and 2&#8243;, &#8220;Tales Of The New Isis Lodge&#8221;, &#8220;Your passport to the qliphoth&#8221; and &#8220;Plan for the assassination of Princess Anne&#8221;. English Heretic also conduct public ceremonies, having recently appeared at &#8220;Past, Present and Future&#8221; festival at Wysing Arts Centre. Andy Sharp has also talked on a wide range of magical topics, most recently on &#8220;The Cult of Ku&#8221; at Treadwell&#8217;s Bookshop. English Heretic have just published their latest book &#8220;Wyrd Tales 2&#8243;, a 140 page illustrated anthology of speculative fiction.</p>
<p>Laura Joyce &#8211; Haunted Idylls: Crime Scenes in Ovid&#8217;s &#8216;Metamorphoses&#8217;<br />
Then he hastened with the frightened Philomela into most wild and silent solitudes of an old forest; where, concealed among deep thickets a forbidding old house stood…but even while her agonizing screams implored her sister&#8217;s and her father&#8217;s aid, and while she vainly called upon the Gods, he overmastered her with brutal force.<br />
Ovid’s Metamorphoses contains several descriptions of sexual violence, torture, brutality and murder which take place in beautiful, idyllic settings. Often he introduces a sacred grotto, a lush spring, a secret grove, or a dark, impenetrable forest to set a scene. Within these sublime, numinous spaces, he contaminates the landscape with violence and degradation. The spaces continue to be haunted by the violence committed there, as the victims of the crimes do not disappear, but rather metamorphose into elements of the scene itself; from Myrrha’s agonising pregnancy trapped inside a tree, to the terrified Callisto, transformed into a bear, only to be hunted by her son. The quote above is taken from the episode of Tereus and Philomela, and describes the beginning of the brutal campaign of violence done to the girl, set in an ‘old forest’ among ‘deep thickets’, a sure sign that horror will ensue.<br />
My paper will look briefly at the history of the locus amoenus or ‘pleasant place’ in classical poetry, and at the subversive use which Ovid makes of this trope. I will also be guided by Derrida’s essay ‘Hostipitality’ which looks at the etymological links between hostility and hospitality, and the ways in which this impacts on the disruption of the locus amoenus in Ovid. I will also look briefly at Henry Bond’s Lacanian work on crime scene photography, in order to delineate the psychotic nature of Ovid’s haunted spaces.<br />
Laura Joyce is a DPhil student in Creative and Critical Writing at The University of Sussex. Her research is on body horror, necrophilia, murder and sado-masochistic violence, and the haunted spaces that these acts inhabit. Laura is writing a novella as part of her research, from the point of view of a group of murdered women, based on the femicides in Ciudad Juarez. Her first novel, about the killing of six year old beauty queen Jonbenet Ramsey, will be published in June 2012.</p>
<p>Hayley Lock &#8211; Spoiling my pussies love time<br />
The ten lectures contained within John Ruskin’s ‘The Ethics of the Dust’ written in 1875 frames a dialogue between the girls of Winnington Hall in Cheshire and an elderly lecturer who references crystallography and scientific knowledge through dreams as a medium for teaching. Referencing Sinbad’s adventures from the tale of a Thousand and one nights, Ruskin describes these haunted landscapes in an effort to educate the young ladies before him about the moralistic complexities embedded in human culture through scientific enquiry, structure and order.<br />
Using the titles of each lecture, I propose to create ten pieces of work, each of which contain a landscape from each chapter. The chapters are: The Valley of Diamonds, The Pyramid Builders, The Crystal Life, The Crystal Orders, Crystal Virtues, Crystal Quarrels, Home Virtues, Crystal Caprice, Crystal Sorrows and The Crystal Rest. I propose to show these works as a Ruskin lecture.<br />
Each landscape will be placed within a recreation of a Claude Glass, a tourist drawing tool or a black glass that Ruskin was said to loathe for its inaccuracies, favouring instead the magnifying glass for fine detailing.<br />
These Claude Glass visions haunted Ruskin in his imaginings through a series of mental breakdowns that occurred firstly in 1871 at a time of great stress with his mother’s death and his close cousins marriage (Ruskin later apologises in a series of letters to his cousin Joan for spoiling his pussies love time) and they continue to his death in 1900. Ruskin’s illnesses have since been recognised to fall at a point of loss when these dark imaginings muddled truth and reality with confusion and sorrow.<br />
Ruskin attempted to throw away these black glasses into Coniston Water and as well as on his travels to Europe but on each occasion they were returned by Joan.<br />
Hayley Lock studied at Goldsmith’s College, London and currently lives and works in Suffolk and Cambridge. Her practice straddles fact and fiction, truth and the fake. Weaving new narratives of history and myth through a complicated and sometimes mysterious tale of heartache, lust and delusional thinking, Lock allows her practice to accumulate, take unfathomable journeys and elicit deceit to create part encrypted biography and part parallel histories through drawing, collage, sculpture and sound. Previous exhibitions include These Living Walls of Jet, Ceri hand Gallery, London; Future 50, Project Space Leeds and To Taste Molten Diamonds, Backlit Studios, Nottingham. In 2011 and 2012 Lock reinvented new histories in historic places with her project (Now that would be) Telling which travelled to Ickworth House, Suffolk, Brantwood House, Cumbria, Dr Johnsons House, London, A La Ronde, Devon and Caddington Hall in London.</p>
<p>Hannah Gilbert<br />
I wish I could, this looks fantastic!<br />
Like ·  · February 14 at 11:17am</p>
<p>James Payne<br />
Yay &#8211; I&#8217;m in London and I&#8217;m coming!<br />
Like ·  · February 13 at 10:12pm<br />
Sarah Sparkes likes this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agora- Tooting Market by alternativeartcollege</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its really interesting I would like to contact them etc but thier website is a bit all over the place could you give me a contact email?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its really interesting I would like to contact them etc but thier website is a bit all over the place could you give me a contact email?</p>
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		<title>Comment on lifeisland – Manor Garden Olympic Allotments by alternativeartcollege</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are all really helpful the topic of compulsory purchase order is quite similar to what we are dealing with within he carps est.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all really helpful the topic of compulsory purchase order is quite similar to what we are dealing with within he carps est.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agora- Tooting Market by tatiana</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you Vlada! Should consider the space +)]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on timing is everything… by Ayat Alhaji</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean big EGO?  Someone commented after the class that she is sick of artists&#039; arrogance! Perhaps that another difference between artists and activists???!!!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on timing is everything… by alternativeartcollege</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the whole time-keeping thing I don&#039;t know whether, for him, if its a relevant aspect of his work. It doesn&#039;t seem to be the main concern but it is interesting that it evokes the question of time. especially with his &#039;acting&#039; in his film it does produce critiques that could question the timing of its release itself and why the need to be the centre of the work. the same is with the watch as it is named &#039;Fishbone&#039; and the name is located in the centre of the watch. Thus does he believe or is the work suggesting that Doug is the centre of time itself in regards to his practice. &#039;DOUG IS TIME&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the whole time-keeping thing I don&#8217;t know whether, for him, if its a relevant aspect of his work. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be the main concern but it is interesting that it evokes the question of time. especially with his &#8216;acting&#8217; in his film it does produce critiques that could question the timing of its release itself and why the need to be the centre of the work. the same is with the watch as it is named &#8216;Fishbone&#8217; and the name is located in the centre of the watch. Thus does he believe or is the work suggesting that Doug is the centre of time itself in regards to his practice. &#8216;DOUG IS TIME&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on timing is everything… by Ayat Alhaji</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayat Alhaji]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Chie, good stuff... it is enriching to visualize things through others&#039; eyes and mind. Thinking about your quote: “why we even think that we ‘lose’ time”, personally I think time can be (not always) a significant factor in our life (John&#039;s title suggests that it is ‘everything’)  and that when we miss it we might miss a significant opportunity. When I miss a train by a second (bcs of my lazy timing) then having to wait long for the other while missing an important lecture, that could be a great loss of knowledge (or missing an opportunity to gain that knowledge (real experience :-)). 

Of course during our projects&#039; process we worry about these missing opportunities, however I think that every work would have some missed opportunities, bcs by focusing on an aspect we may very well be ignoring another aspect, and we can’t take time back to see the other aspect. 

Although part of me thinks: so what? Isn’t it enough that through our busy life we can still catch something- however small? But then wouldn&#039;t the work be richer contextually if we keep an eye on as many aspects as possible as if observing every second of it? In other words, wouldn’t good studying, planning and controlling the work- while keeping an eye on what is occurring- creates an effective, influential and fulfilling context, far more than throwing any work to the public with some kind of careless attitude leaving the outcome quite loose? Even if the artist leaves some open space to host the unexpected, that would be interesting if still can be observed and framed as much as possible during the process; something i felt that was missed in Doug’s hypnosis work for example- I think it could have been stronger in effect if he investigated and displayed the outcome more. 

I certainly do not mean that we should become paranoid when making work, and this quote seems to address it better than my “English” explanation: “We have no control over the laws of physics, but we do have some control over the frames of reference in which we view time, recognizing how and when these frames of reference are advantageous may allow you to get more out of life and help you to recognise those occasions when time perspectives hinder and impede you. Some times perspectives are imposed upon you by society-by your religious  upbringing, education, social class, or cultural background- but at other times you do have opportunities to choose for yourself.” (Zimbardo, 2008).


I didn&#039;t come across the texts you mentioned, so yes please if u can bring them with u... may be when you come to visit :-)

My last question might feed well into my dissertation, and in some aspects may be relevant to my individual project regarding people&#039;s relations- though I am trying to focus on the &#039;political&#039; aspect, ‘war’ in specific rather than how offensive artwork can damage relations... looking forward to more discussions.... x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chie, good stuff&#8230; it is enriching to visualize things through others&#8217; eyes and mind. Thinking about your quote: “why we even think that we ‘lose’ time”, personally I think time can be (not always) a significant factor in our life (John&#8217;s title suggests that it is ‘everything’)  and that when we miss it we might miss a significant opportunity. When I miss a train by a second (bcs of my lazy timing) then having to wait long for the other while missing an important lecture, that could be a great loss of knowledge (or missing an opportunity to gain that knowledge (real experience <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). </p>
<p>Of course during our projects&#8217; process we worry about these missing opportunities, however I think that every work would have some missed opportunities, bcs by focusing on an aspect we may very well be ignoring another aspect, and we can’t take time back to see the other aspect. </p>
<p>Although part of me thinks: so what? Isn’t it enough that through our busy life we can still catch something- however small? But then wouldn&#8217;t the work be richer contextually if we keep an eye on as many aspects as possible as if observing every second of it? In other words, wouldn’t good studying, planning and controlling the work- while keeping an eye on what is occurring- creates an effective, influential and fulfilling context, far more than throwing any work to the public with some kind of careless attitude leaving the outcome quite loose? Even if the artist leaves some open space to host the unexpected, that would be interesting if still can be observed and framed as much as possible during the process; something i felt that was missed in Doug’s hypnosis work for example- I think it could have been stronger in effect if he investigated and displayed the outcome more. </p>
<p>I certainly do not mean that we should become paranoid when making work, and this quote seems to address it better than my “English” explanation: “We have no control over the laws of physics, but we do have some control over the frames of reference in which we view time, recognizing how and when these frames of reference are advantageous may allow you to get more out of life and help you to recognise those occasions when time perspectives hinder and impede you. Some times perspectives are imposed upon you by society-by your religious  upbringing, education, social class, or cultural background- but at other times you do have opportunities to choose for yourself.” (Zimbardo, 2008).</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t come across the texts you mentioned, so yes please if u can bring them with u&#8230; may be when you come to visit <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My last question might feed well into my dissertation, and in some aspects may be relevant to my individual project regarding people&#8217;s relations- though I am trying to focus on the &#8216;political&#8217; aspect, ‘war’ in specific rather than how offensive artwork can damage relations&#8230; looking forward to more discussions&#8230;. x</p>
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		<title>Comment on timing is everything… by chie</title>
		<link>http://project47.org/2012/02/07/timing-is-everything/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;can we make up for time loss, or would that be a completely  missed opportunity?&quot;
--I think his work is concerned about not treating time as precious thing, but more engaged with discovering opportunities by not being distracted by the notion of keeping time. in other words, in everyday life, we are so concerned with keeping time and don&#039;t notice many things. so, I think, what Doug does is to almost make &#039;keeping time&#039; unimportant so that we can &#039;spend time&#039; looking and thinking about stuff. It;s interesting to reverse your question and think why we even think that we &#039;lose&#039; time. 

I think the last question feeds into your Individual project , and perhaps we can expand our conversation into different notions of liberalism?  have you read any of the texts from Michael&#039;s (an)other China? Carl Schmitt&#039;s text  and critiques around his text are really interesting.  will bring the texts in on tuesday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;can we make up for time loss, or would that be a completely  missed opportunity?&#8221;<br />
&#8211;I think his work is concerned about not treating time as precious thing, but more engaged with discovering opportunities by not being distracted by the notion of keeping time. in other words, in everyday life, we are so concerned with keeping time and don&#8217;t notice many things. so, I think, what Doug does is to almost make &#8216;keeping time&#8217; unimportant so that we can &#8216;spend time&#8217; looking and thinking about stuff. It;s interesting to reverse your question and think why we even think that we &#8216;lose&#8217; time. </p>
<p>I think the last question feeds into your Individual project , and perhaps we can expand our conversation into different notions of liberalism?  have you read any of the texts from Michael&#8217;s (an)other China? Carl Schmitt&#8217;s text  and critiques around his text are really interesting.  will bring the texts in on tuesday.</p>
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		<title>Comment on timing is everything… by chie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[am not sure if I am making any relevant point here, but thinking about what Mark Fisher once said in his essay; the busier you are, less you see. 
 we all learn to &#039;use&#039; time effectively and to increase productivity whether it&#039;s education, life, or work, and  Fisher suggested that art is to occupy time differently, and fill it with a certain kind of uselessness. This uselessness differs from how workers spend working hours aimlessly in order to get paid. 
by situating his work between efficiency and inefficiency, Doug&#039;s works perhaps reveal what we don&#039;t see because we are busy being busy and productive. but the interesting fact is that he actually utilizes the mechanism and efficiency of liberal market in order to create the scenario where his work can&#039;t keep time. What Fisher describes as a different way of occupying time might be Doug&#039;s &#039;not keeping time ( while trying to do so)&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am not sure if I am making any relevant point here, but thinking about what Mark Fisher once said in his essay; the busier you are, less you see.<br />
 we all learn to &#8216;use&#8217; time effectively and to increase productivity whether it&#8217;s education, life, or work, and  Fisher suggested that art is to occupy time differently, and fill it with a certain kind of uselessness. This uselessness differs from how workers spend working hours aimlessly in order to get paid.<br />
by situating his work between efficiency and inefficiency, Doug&#8217;s works perhaps reveal what we don&#8217;t see because we are busy being busy and productive. but the interesting fact is that he actually utilizes the mechanism and efficiency of liberal market in order to create the scenario where his work can&#8217;t keep time. What Fisher describes as a different way of occupying time might be Doug&#8217;s &#8216;not keeping time ( while trying to do so)&#8217;.</p>
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